Drew Wilkinson
Season 2: Episode 3
In episode two, we talk to Drew Wilkinson, former Microsoft employee who turned a two-person sustainability group into a ten-thousand-person climate movement inside the company. We get into why sustainability dies the second it becomes a checkbox at the end of a project and where the real creative decisions happen.
Drew breaks down his “buffet” approach to getting a whole company on board, not just the one person who cares. Why that person (the designer who feels like the only one) is really never alone. And why courage might be the best trait we need in changing the culture within our work places.
Listen on Spotify and Apple.About our guest
Drew Wilkinson is a sustainability consultant, community organizer, and climate activist who on a mission to make sustainability part of everybody’s job. He co‑founded Microsoft’s 10,000‑member employee sustainability community and now leads the Climate Leadership Collective, helping organizations pair top‑down strategy with bottom‑up momentum. By blending change management, leadership development, and green‑skilling, he turns sustainability from a checklist owned by one team into a shared cultural value that every department is equipped and motivated to advance.
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The Doom & Bloom Team
Marc O’Brien (Host)
Camille Graham (Producer)
Jacquelyn Demshick (Designer)
Holden Hardcastle (Editor)
Dr. Renee Lertzman
Season 2: Episode 2
In season two of Doom & Bloom we’re focusing on how designers can shift the culture within the design industry to prioritize climate-forward design decisions.
We kicked off the new season during San Francisco Climate Week, interviewing Dr. Renee Lertzman, climate psychologist and strategist.
Listen to Renee and Marc discuss the gap between how much designers care about climate and how little they're actually able to integrate it into their work and why the usual moves (educating, persuading, making the case harder) don’t work. They also explored how shifting from “yell, tell, sell” to attunement and guiding can help designers actually move culture inside their organizations.
Listen on Spotify and Apple.About our guest
Dr. Renee Lertzmen is a psychologist, researcher, and strategist who has spent three decades investigating why people struggle to act on what they care most deeply about—and what it actually takes to change that. Renee has advised leaders at Google, IKEA, the White House, and WWF, and her TED “Talk How to Turn Climate Anxiety into Action” has over two million views. She's the author of Environmental Melancholia, founder of Project InsideOut, and her forthcoming book “So You Want to Change the World?” is out from Viking in 2027.
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The Doom & Bloom Team
Marc O’Brien (Host)
Camille Graham (Producer)
Jacquelyn Demshick (Designer)
Holden Hardcastle (Editor)